Good neighbors, bad neighbors
When I was in law school, (briefly) (long story - don't go there) (as in don't ask, not as in don't go to law school) (although that particular one was subpar (if you ask me), I got into a little conflict with one of my neighbors. I find it eluminating in light of the (wrong) Iraq war.
I lived in a little studio apartment on the second floor and below me was a preem medical student from India named Arun. Now, keep in mind here that Arun was not perfect (by our (Western) standards) downstairs neighbor either, anymore than I was. (Upstairs). Many's a time where, I would be up at 3-4 A.M. kept awake by his stereo ("I Got The Power" - C&C Music Factory - his favorite) or by him talking LOUDLY to family back home in India in native language Hindy (Note: as many ignorant Americans (Neandertheals) not realize - language spoken by Indians (from India) not Indian, language spoken by Indians Hindy). At first I got frustrate - But, I would always tell myself, He is from a different culture and I must be tolerant. If I cannot tolerant his culture at 4 A.M> then where does that leave us. (I would have to apologize to him for being so intolerant, frankly). The true test of multi cultural tolerance occurs at 4 A.M. (Just a little aphorism I thought up - you can use it) So, I would switch on late nite Bob Costas show or Twilite Zone rerun and wait till his culture calms down (just, alittle).
Meanwhile, however, I offended him something greatly, for which still feel guilty. You see when I was (still) in law school (officially) I spent ALOT of time hackysacking. (In my apartment - no good place to do it outside). You know - for exercise. I would stand there and hackysack in front of TV to wile away the time and sweat. Day or night. (You're probably wondering was there enough space in studio apartment to hackysack - well there was (just barely) if I move E-Z chair and keep control (the secret: use your knees ALOT)). Well, I must of hackysacked through 90% of both OJ trials (if you ask me). (In retrospect-- probably would of been better to attend more lawschool classes. Water under the bridge as they say).
Now I guess Arun could hear this thumping on ceiling. At first probably I assumed that in his culture (diverse) such noises - normal. (Hustle and bustle of big Indian city - Multi cultural diverse people LOVE the noises/smells (i.e. excitement!) of big city)( I assumed). But apperently (from what I could piece together) he "has to study for MCAT" or whatever bla bla bla (I admit, did not understaned his diverse accent too well. Mostly gazed at his cloths (VERY stylish dresser)
So I had offended him - my downstairs neighbor. I had overstepped the bounds of good neighborship. I had crossed the line. I recognize that (now). But at the time I didn't realize.
So Arun (wise) - here's what he did. Typed up note on word processor - slipped under my door. Something about "Dear Neighbor" can you stop that infernal racket / noisy behavior raucous and rude (some words - rather long) (diverse Indians have suprirsingly large English vocabulary) (I've noticed). Well that's the end of the story YOU KNOW WHY? Because I actually listened to his note and changed behavior accordingly. (I'm can be quite rather sensitive and compassionate to other peoples's needs, infact). I stopped indoor hackysack so much (for exercise switch to: night hikes) and Kept it down alittle. (New indoor hobby: making collages). Well soon enough I was out of there (lawschool) anyway so Arun got his peace and all's swell that ends well.
What does this have to do with our current predicament, youask?
We (are foreign policy) was bothering Arabs Muslims governments in the Middle East. NOT being good friendly neighbors (if you ask me), just like me with my indoor hackysacking. No. We were constraining their behavior / preventing various regimes from doing what they want to do/ expanding as they wish / arming to defend themselves / etc. In short: we offended them.
On 9/11 we received our "note" (like note Arun to me) asking (kindly, gently) (ok 3000+ kill (stock brokers mostly) to make point better) to stop our behavior. This was a chance (an opportunity) to make a mends by LISTENING (like I did, to polite note from C&C Music Factory fan) and changing are behavior accordingly as per all there wishes (ie. no American troops or citizens on Arabian peninsula anywhere/ dive vest from Israel completely,udderly / stop blockade of Iraq i.e. let Saddam trade with whomever however do/kill whatever he wishes / kick non Muslims out of Sudan / kick Russians out of Chechnya / kick Serbians out of Easter Europe / kick Indians out of Indian peninsula / etc.) Whatever - just good friendly neighbor behavior. This would of been civilized thing to do.
But instead - we made WAR on Muslims (something that should NEVER be happen - TOTALLY offensive to Muslims and against their religion). In Afghanistan (wrong enough - but that's beyond scope of this blog) but more improtantly to everything - In Iraq.
Keeping with neighbor analogy - This would of been like me reading Arun's note and then going downstairs with sword (like envisioned numbrous times) to chop off his DAMN HEAD for BLASTINGT that STUPID "I got the power" song at ALL HOURS OF THE FRICKIN NIGHT. WTF!!
And I'm too civilized for that. More improtantly: I'm too tolerant.
I'm a good neighbor. To Saddam, the US was a bad neighbor. And that's really just about all there is to it.
(So it seems my uncle was wrong - I guess I learned something from lawschool after all.)
(UPDATE 12/8/2004 10:33 P.M. ZULU mean time: Some have expressed skeptical - as in "how loud can hackysack be? soft little ball" You're missing the point - yes to kick hackysack rather soft (little soft beanbag). But it was the THUMPING on the floor (of my feet) (rather heavy) as I jump around (often making very dramatic saves - wish I had video camera to show!) which made the noise. Imagine pogo stick for perhaps better analogy - I hope this clears up better understanding, here of what my bad neighborliness consisted of (this is important for understanding 9.11 analogy appropriately)


















32 Comments:
This was a rather longish post and seemed to have no revelance (I have to admit I only skimmed.) What do Indians (not WooHoo Indians, but Asian Indians) have to do with how Right the War in Iraq was?
Bob
i can't believe the gall of someone who ADMITS didn't read something, and then missed the point entirely, and shows no awareness of this fact. Unbelievable.
P.S. Indians not Asian Indians Indian. Asians Asian. Native American Indians Native Americans. Hope that clears things up.
My apologies, it really is wrong to only skim something and then comment on it. It's just that somewhere I've noticed someone else who does the same, I can't remember who. As to Indian Indian's (Asians) and Indians (Native Americans) perhaps you could come up with one of your clever mnemonics to help me keep them straight.
Bob
1. You are a moron. I understand now why you failed to graduate from law school.
2. Your law school probably was subpar. After all, they accepted you.
3. 9/11 was not a polite note. It was a cowardly, terrorist act of war. Osama knowlingly attacked a civilian target and murdered thousands of Americans citizens and the good citizens of other nations.
4. It was the at least the 3rd act of war that Osama has brought against the United States of America. (world trade center bombing, USS Cole)
5. Saddam Hussein is a murderer and a horrible butcher.
Saddam Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people in cold blood and buried them in mass graves.
Saddam Hussein used WMD against his own people.
Saddam Hussein bribed European UN officials to allow him to sell oil for cash instead of food and to provide political support for his regime of murder. He gave each of them millions of barrels of oil. That is a lot of cash at $40 per barrel.
Saddam Hussein used this cash to fund his WMD programs.
Saddam Hussein failed to comply with UN weapons inspectors.
Saddam Hussein was repeatedly warned that furture non compliance would result in the use of force.
Saddam Hussein continued to fail to comply.
6. Med school is important. The MCAT is important. Hacky sack is not important.
7. Stop trying to be such a fucking shyster. You are not good at it. Nobody is buying your crap.
8. "Hackysack" is not a thing. Note- two words: Hacky sack.
9. You are a moron. We covered this already, but for you, I have reviewed.
10. "Hindy" is not a language. Hindi is a language.
11. Arun may or may not have been speaking Hindi. I suspect that YOU cannot tell Hindi from other languages of the region, such as Kannada, Bengai, or Marathi. Heck, I am not sure that YOU can tell Hindi from English.
-BeerMan
Berman-- Breezily dispensing with your (tiresome, relly) points one (1) at @ a time,
1. Believe me, you don't know the half of it. (I didn't say anything about either of the Incidents)
2. It was subpar believe me. (Classes: SO BORING) in retroscept - Should of gone iwth safety school (Boalt)
3. Clearly 9/11 not note; just analogy. Obviously you have to scale up from my analogy PROPORTIONALLY. I'm sorry concept of PROPORTIONALITY too difficult for you. (If Bin Laden would of LITARALLY slip note under doorway of WTC how much attention would anyone of paid him)?
4. Past history - relevance?
5. Yesyes we all agree Saddam Hussein very badman etc. (See "other bad men" on sidebar)
6. Hackysack not important? Well you might not say that so casually if you had record # consecutive kicks (137) like me
7. Too ironic to respond to this one.
8. Sure you harp on my spelling etc when can't rebutt my substance (so tipical)
9. Redundint
10. See 8.
11. HA shows how much you know, I know Arun spoke Hindy because asked him "so which language do you speak" he said "Hindy". Wow I bet concept of actually TALKING TO a Diverse Person never ockured to (racist/stereotyping) whing dhinger such as your self. When I would bump into him in hallway I actually would talked to asked him numbrous questions ("What's it like to be a Diverse Person?" etc.) In admittance, he didn't always understand what I getting at.
As for tell Hindy from English - that's easy. Hindy sound like English spoken by person with Indian accent, only not saying English words (DUH).
As always,
You are fucking stupid. I would hate to offend all those nations like North Korea and Iran. We should be good neighbors and leave them alone. You are so pathetic.
If war is so offensive to Muslims, and so totally against their religion, why did they declare war against the U.S. in 1979, and reiterate those declarations of war repeatedly for the past 25 years? If war is so offensive to Muslims, and so totally against their religion, why did they attack innocent civilians from numerous countries working, dining or sightseeing at the World Trade Center twice (1993, 2001). If war is so offensive to Muslims, and so totally against their religion, why have they been slaughtering countless millions of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, etc. for the past 1400 years?
You are not only illiterate, you are reprehensibly idiotic, and an arrogant pontificator.
This is great; I'm about to fall out of my seat laughing.
anon8:06 - You misunderstood (we seem to have a mixed communication) I did not say war (either direction) offensive to muslims - just war AGAINST Musilms. At times (depend on context) war BY Muslims - can be holy duty (j'ih'a'd). WE SHOULD RESPECT/TOLERANT that!!! (or kiss are First Amendment goodbye)
You cannot honestly be saying that we should allow extremist Muslims to kill as many Americans as they would like to because some whackjob cultist told them (and us) it was jihad, can you?
And if your friend from downstairs had come up and shot your children as a friendly reminder not to play hacky-sack in your apartment.... then what? Tolerance? You feel bad because you caused him to murder your children?
These sorts of matters & hypotheticals depend on my Culture and where I am. Am I OCcupying someone else's land? (Arab land)? (Land which is Arabs's)? Need more info
If Islam is a "religion of peace", why then have Muslims systematically slaughtered all Christians and Jews throughout Arabia over the past several centuries? Now, the Arab-militant Muslims have moved into Northern Africa, slaughtering all the non-Muslims and darker-skinned "dreg" Muslims. And, if the Arab bretherns are so tight why did the Egyptians and Jordanians cast out their "dregs", the Palestinians, from their lands? Great examples of "good neighbors".
By the way, all of Arabia never cared for the Iraqi people before, why are you showing such concern now? From Iraqi voices I have heard of Iraqi disgust towards Arab nations because of Arab duplicity.
Why do Islamic Arab nations consistantly find blame on everyone else except themselves when it has always been Arab Muslims who have consistanly cultivated a culture of hate towards all infidels in order to embolden their "religion of peace" which was founded by a thief?
Because "Arabia" is ARABS"S LAND!!! (Hence the name "Arabia") Sheesh I thought that was obvious to anyone who Guess not.
This was ludicrous! Here's a better analogy!
Your neighbors are beating and killing their children in the house across the street. They are doing it indoors so you mind your own business. They finally take it into the front lawn so you call the cops. They are now hastled and a light is shown on what they do and how they are behind their closed doors and so many of these things are illegal. Hence they get in trouble. They decide to murder your children.
What do you do?
What we did was offer them a chance to surrender themselves many times before 'MERCIFULLY' (that is to say that we did everything in our power to not harm the civilians.) capturing them ourselves.
What should we have done?
We should never have waited so long! If you know that wrong is being done and people are being hurt and oppressed for no reason, how can you say that it is not your business. If you can answer that any other way but "There's No Way!!!" then you are a coward!!! Either a coward or just SICK!!!
Do not compare a note to thousands of people dying! They were people with families. Do not compare your hacksacking to us restricting them for crimes they have committed. You say that it should not be America's job to police the world... I say that is BS!!! It is everyone's job!!!
As far as culture goes, we have also done much to take Sadam out of power while keeping in-tact their culture and ways of doing things. That is to say we do not consider Murder, Rape, oppression and Tyranny cultural. It is basic humanity that knows that is wrong and can be seen no other way. That is not to say that we are saints. That is not to say that I am not guilty of things. When I am caught speeding and I get a ticket, I do not argue that I am oppressed. I know that I'd broken the law and I knew the penalty. I knew that the laws are there not to restrict my want to go fast but to ensure the safety of those around me. This country is a toilet full of freedom. It stinks at times but is dedicated to everyone having the right to live their own lives but protected from others who would do harm. It's bad and not so bad at the same time.
STILL... we do not push this so much anymore. Basically now we just say 'whatever'. JUST STOP KILLING YOUR KIDS OR WE WILL STOP YOU! Yet still in the humanitarian way.
WAR SUCKS and maybe there was a better way to go about it! This is my belief but I have not heard nor had any conclusions better.
Yours was Apollogize for the inconveniances, count our losses and move on.
WTF!!!!!!!
That is OUT-RIGHT LUDICROUS!!!!!!!!!
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From what I could glean (skim) your comment YOu seem awfuly hung up on "note"/"9.11" analogy LISTEN PEOPLE it's is just ANALOGY you have to scale up!
Analogy for this process-- Think of scale model (like constructed by architect). Architect (Brady Bunch father for example - if that helps) doesn't construct 1:1 model of house / he does it 1:500 or whatever. This doesn't mean he is saying house (actual house) will have 1-centimeter diamater chimney! That would be ludicrous (of COURSE) but to harp on that is to TOTALLY misunderstand "scale-down" concept / 1-centimer chimney is JUST THE MODEL (analogous to real chimney) (scaled way down)!
So same with note! OK!
Try to think on this more carefully and get back to me if you still have concerns.
I see, Arabia is Arab's land so long as Arabs are Muslim?
OK I understand you want to create a ratio then. Like building a house, the model shows 1 cm and that should represent maybe 1 ft and everything should follow accordingly.
Then if this is true. You need to bring down the hacksacking to maybe ... Indian style meditating where he heard your faint humming and was displeased and wrote a note.
He is a terrorist! You are saying that our actions called for the attack. You're saying that our actions preceding the attack were worst than the attack. This according to your model (analogy).
You believe that if you are slapped in the face, it is time to listen. Are you Catholic by chance? Terrorist act with fear tactics. They're bullies and nothing that they say means anything until they begin treating other cultures with the respect that they want for themselves. If that is not there way then so be it. They cannot expect us to listen to what they have to say. You want to take the way of the movement. You want to believe that you belong to a noble cause and it's easy to preach peace and understanding at all costs and never delve deeper into the issues.
Your model is wrong! Your analogy is wrong. The analogy I gave was more to scale. 1 cm = 1 ft. They didn't come across to my lawn and kill my kids. They killed thousands of people in my country. These are people that would continue to do so much harm if left alone. That is how a bully gets his power. He picks on one and gets away with it. Then another and another until everyone is scared and finally ... Somebody kicks the ever living shit out of him!
To scale would be ...
You're hackysacking in your apartment and causing noise. Irritating. He comes up with a baseball bat and starts beating you with it.
And you believe that now it is time to listen to what he has to say.
I say you take a few guys with you and give him a punishment that he would never forget. And everytime he even thought about getting violent with anyone he would think about those guys that gave him an ass kicking like he never felt and start to tremble inside.
After the ass kicking, everyone can sit down calmly and intelligently talk things out. But first things first! You cannot reason with him while he is unreasonable. His actions were unreasonable. That needs to be broken down.
I hate to think what a person's life must have been like to actually have the mentality that if someone attacks you; someone you never met; that you should listen to this person as this person must have something to say. I have been bullied many times in my life and what I learned from it is that they keep doing it until you are fed up and you kick his ass completely unmercifully. Not everyone had the opportunity and if that's why you hold such a passive unperportunate view in life then truly from the bottom of my heart, I'm sorry. That really does suck. But some day you have to stop being a coward!
John
A good neighbor does not set idly by while his neighbor beats his kids.
I good person does not turn his head when injustice happens before his very eyes.
Here is an anaology. A gay man is walking down the street minding his own business and some thugs come up and beat him. You just watch and then afterwards you tell him that it's his fault because he's gay and you don't agree with him being gay.
That's messed up! I don't agree with him being gay but I would protect him in that instance. The ratios are all wrong. You are crazy!!!
Your theory on the affairs with Iraq interest me. Not because my interest has anything to do with your hypothesis, in fact it is something entirely different. Call it psychological if you may, but I presume, not assume, that you have a few severe issues incorporated in your person. I gather, for start, that your penis is probably 5 in. long at full erection, you probably were sheltered and bullied, neither a good aspect of living especially when undealt with, and your entire analogy is a form of control, through words that stem from a sorted form of passive aggression. All of this, if not properly dealt with or even omitted would cause a deficit of understanding or lack of logic. I don't feel bad for you though, or else I'd have to for the many other moronious usurpers of their minds. However your criticism could be a virtue when executed in propriety. I know you don't want advice and would rather criticise my comments or even my person; objectively though, wake up and smell the world, not just the coffee.
By the way I think I was wrong about your penis, it's probably 5 in. on Levitra.
Wow golly I'm have sterned up a Hornet's nest, (here). Taking (silly/ piddly) comments one @at a time--
(anon5:57) NO Arabia is Arabs's' land REGARDLESS (not ours) Saddam Arab - Arab land - which part dont you understand
(anon8:15) OH boy you don't understand at all - you have to scale UP not down! I read your post (skimmed alittle) it seems like you got idea I wanted you to scale everything down (<<1) from my hackysack example that is REDICULOUS. OBVIOUSLY when comparing "note" and "9.11" the latter >> former hence scale UP. Like I said!! Try again
(anon8:39) no, the ratios are CORRECT what do you think ratios should be?? (I haven't even shown you my spreadsheet in first place how can you know incorrect?)
(anon9:00/9:10) I notice with interest, you seem to assume/presume to know my Gender. (i.e. sex but I prefer term Gender it's less sexist i.e. Genderist). How? I take (mostly successful/a few slipups) affirmative steps to be Gender neutral here at TIWWWB. (To fight Sexism/Genderism). Yet you (in haughtiness) think you have me PEgged as a guy who you can berate/confuse/befuddle with penis talk. Without even knowing I"m have one in first place! Your mind sure is on penis!!
Yes, since you insist that Arabia is Arab's land, I now understand why Arab's find justification for the slaughter of Jews in Israel.
Come on people. This is a parody. "let Saddam trade with whomever however do/kill whatever he wishes/ kick non Muslims out of Sudan / kick Russians out of Chechnya / kick Serbians out of Easter Europe / kick Indians out of Indian peninsula / etc.) Whatever - just good friendly neighbor behavior. This would of been civilized thing to do."
At least I hope.
The Above post was Sebastian Holsclaw by the way.
um, excUse me anon@9:04, but how on earth do YOU presume to know who anon@9:03 is??? Let the man speak for himself.
The ratios you present are incorrect. I don't need to see a spread sheet you dumbass!
You give me point A and point B on both the model and what you are referring to.
You're views are discouraging. It is sad to see that someone gives so little of a shit about oppressed people and injustices done across the world just because it is not in that persons face. Or you believe that It's Sadaam's house and he can do what he wants in his house. Do you think he can say who can come and who can go? Maybe! Do you think he can say who can live and who will die because it's his house?
Or Osama; do you think that his practicing religion is a license to kill? In respecting cultures, religious tolerance is key. But Osama's intolerance causes people to die therefore his culture (terrorism) cannot be respected nor accepted.
The ratio (hackysack --> Note) is to represent (our oppressing them --> 9/11). I understand your ratio and your scaling but you do not see that any oppression they received could not warrant 9/11. The hackysacking was worse than the note. 9/11 was worse than the oppression. Their attempts prior to 9/11 were worse than the oppression. The Scale is WAY OFF!!!
Can you understand this? Is it argumentative, a lack of compassion or outright stupidity on your part? I ask this question seriously! I want to know what you would consider it. I gave you choices (A through C). Feel free to give me an alternate answer, (D if you like), if there was something of your twisted nature that I left out or overlooked.
As for the other person's comment about your penis size; I had assumed you were a man as well. If you are not, perhaps your attempts to be gender neutral presented you that way. If you are, I think that person has a valid point. It is something to look at in your own psychosis; something like compensation. If you are not a man then try flipping the stereotype as if it were a model and infer it's meaning more accordingly to your gender; still compensation is key I think. Just don't look down, see no penis and go no further. What in you could make that person see that in you and is it valid? Think about it.
And REALLY!!! I have read every word you've written (not skimmed). Stop skimming others and actually think about what someone has to say for a change. Maybe you'll find that you may better yourself. Isn't that the goal of discussion? Or is it just being right?
John
John,
I still don't get how you can know my ratios incorrect. for example ratio from column G7 is 1223821.29. (ok I'm admit, some error bars) but How you know "incorrect" what SHOULD it be? (I don't get)
ok point A: note point B: 9/11 was that not clear?
oppressed people/injustices? HELLO waht do you think this blog about?? (the people oppressed by injustice of The Iraq War)(wrogn) I don't see YOU saying the Iraq was war wrong!
You pooo poo the oprepssion we put on them. HELLO what about installing the Shah of Iran. What about sanctions (kill 500,000 Iraqi babies). What about us supporting Egypt government (which is a Repressive government). What about us not let Palestians have a state. Too many examples to site! so My scale is NOT way off it's well within reasonable error bounds.
You asked a quesion with choices A-D the answer is D (I'm admit, a little bit of A mixed in)
Yes, I'm aware my attempts at gender neutrality (to strike blow against genderism) not wholly 100% successfull all the time Please we ask that you bare with us / I'm slightly new at this.
Finally I'm flattered that you've read every single word I've written. Keep reading!
Coridally,
You talk like the US government is the only government that feels that Palestine should not have a government. They are not recognized by the United Nations. They do not need their own government as much as the south did not in the American civil war. It's hard to be on both sides. Palestine was a great example because their culture is much like Iraq has been and much like Afghanistan has been and much like Terrorism is. You talk about repression. We repress prisoners in prison after they've committed murder. We do not agree with their actions and therefore limit who they come in contact with, where they go and what they can do. If you believe that murder is correct than jump on that band wagon too as it is much like the one your on. If you do not see the evils of these repressing governments then I do not know how to show you.
The fact is, Yes we repress governments that thrive on repressing their people. Those repressors make the argument, "we had no right", and you pity them because they are the little guys that cannot stand a chance against the US but you seem to ignore the ones we've protected FROM them.
It is a complicated business but aspects can be very simple. Such as Iraq killing thousands of it's own people and left unchecked could have been a genocide. Terrorists killing out of their faith when their faith tells them that anyone not like them needs to die. Maybe you think we should have supported Germany in WWII because the whole world turned against them. They were just minding their own business and expanding their land. What was going on inside Germany was nobody's business. Have you supported other tyrannical cultures as well? Such as the KOKI as they were oppressed by our government. How about the black panthers then? These are racist organizations acting out of their faith and maybe that's different. Is it?
I started out reading everything you wrote and continue to (not skimming). Try to be less argumentative and maybe you will not 'pooo poo' over a simple logic like a group continuing to attack us because we are the friends of their enemies and their enemies as well because we do not support their racist and judgmental murdering of innocent lives and then their committing to the loss of thousands in the country that disagreed therefore our retaliation was not only inevitable but ultimately necessary.
As for ratios ... if 1/5 = x/25 then what is x?
Pretty F***king simple if ya ask me. The same with knowing that yours is incorrect. Point A and Point B of the model to the represented situation. Basic math ... do you need more to solve the above equation? If ya do, then I think I see where the problem is.
You talk like the US government is the only government that feels that Palestine should not have a government. They are not recognized by the United Nations. They do not need their own government as much as the south did not in the American civil war. It's hard to be on both sides. Palestine was a great example because their culture is much like Iraq has been and much like Afghanistan has been and much like Terrorism is. You talk about repression. We repress prisoners in prison after they've committed murder. We do not agree with their actions and therefore limit who they come in contact with, where they go and what they can do. If you believe that murder is correct than jump on that band wagon too as it is much like the one your on. If you do not see the evils of these repressing governments then I do not know how to show you.
The fact is, Yes we repress governments that thrive on repressing their people. Those repressors make the argument, "we had no right", and you pity them because they are the little guys that cannot stand a chance against the US but you seem to ignore the ones we've protected FROM them.
It is a complicated business but aspects can be very simple. Such as Iraq killing thousands of it's own people and left unchecked could have been a genocide. Terrorists killing out of their faith when their faith tells them that anyone not like them needs to die. Maybe you think we should have supported Germany in WWII because the whole world turned against them. They were just minding their own business and expanding their land. What was going on inside Germany was nobody's business. Have you supported other tyrannical cultures as well? Such as the KOKI as they were oppressed by our government. How about the black panthers then? These are racist organizations acting out of their faith and maybe that's different. Is it?
I started out reading everything you wrote and continue to (not skimming). Try to be less argumentative and maybe you will not 'pooo poo' over a simple logic like a group continuing to attack us because we are the friends of their enemies and their enemies as well because we do not support their racist and judgmental murdering of innocent lives and then their committing to the loss of thousands in the country that disagreed therefore our retaliation was not only inevitable but ultimately necessary.
As for ratios ... if 1/5 = x/25 then what is x?
Pretty F***king simple if ya ask me. The same with knowing that yours is incorrect. Point A and Point B of the model to the represented situation. Basic math ... do you need more to solve the above equation? If ya do, then I think I see where the problem is.
x=5
5 is 5 more than the # of States the Palestians have.
Numbers don't lie!
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