The Iraq War Was Wrong Blog

The world has many wrongs, and many wars, but there's only one wrong Iraq war.

"A wrong war like during the Iraq war was cannot just be sitted idly by by." --The Proprietor

Wednesday, September 29, 2004

You question me, I answer you

NOTE: Alex D. has responsed (see below), so I'm bumping this to the top.

A reader (who let's call "Alex D.") reaches out to your Proprietor with a worrying email(not entirely positive, it seems) and I'm not sure I have answered him in satisfactory way, in these dark dank times. (Email was rather long - skimmed in parts) I did the best I could but if other reader's have input for how I should respond here, it would be Remember, we're all in it together (It's a process).

Here's the original email (published in entirely, w/o explicit permission (Some links added where appropriate)):


Subject: What is wrong with you?

Dude, WTF?

I started reading your blog with the hopes that I'd have help in proving that the war in Iraq was a mistake. All I got was complete ignorance.

In one of your earlier posts, you mentioned the response you received from Powerline and thanked them for agreeing with you. Newsflash: that was sarcasm, meaning the folks at Powerline still think the war was right. They're trying to make you substantiate your arguments with fact (i.e. why was the war in Iraq wrong?), but you continue with "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" again.

Steven DeBeste tried his best to explain the issue of how you could disagree with him, and instead of taking his advice, you went on a tirade about how inductive reasoning doesn't exist and he'll always be wrong! You really shouldn't be surprised by his decision to end the discussion.

How does having an opinion other than yours make someone a neocon? Are you even dimly aware of what a necon is? Why do you use the label so freely? Have you no respect for people who disagree?

That is the very core of the terrorists we're trying to defend ourselves from -- the "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" mentality.

Where did you get the idea of a Freudian slip in Jaco Pastorius' letter to you? All he did was mention a Jimi Hendrix song, and you went berserk about how he'd never be as good a bass player as Getty Lee. Now don't get me wrong, Rush is one of the best bands of all time, but you're going a bit overboard, aren't you?

Finally, your most recent post, the one that caused me to write to you in the first place, is your mock disproving of the anti-Kerry windsurfing ad. I can't believe you spent that much time and energy proving that a photo trick was used. The Dan Rather issue was about something that was on paper. This was a video. Did you actually watch the ad? How about disproving the statements in the ad?

You're such a political radical that I can't help but wonder whether you've actually been hired by Karl Rove to make the opposition to the war in Iraq look bad. Stereotyping and arrogance have made you a parody of yourself.

A concerned reader,

Alex D.


WEll there was ALOT to chew on there(Not sure I understand his point rellY) but I responded with kindness/sincere effort to reach mutual understanding, as follows:


Dear Alex D.,

So let me see if I understand. You're saying you
DON'T think The Iraq War was wrong?

Confused,

iraqwarwrong
Proprietor, The Iraq War Was Wrong Blog
iraqwarwrong.blogspot.com


Not sure what else to say (at this point) Maybe we have a mixed communication? Anyway, So far, no response, but I'll keep you posted What he says, and I welcome any other input from Readership as to what the root of the problem here is.

It's a process.


UPDATE: Alex's response:


No. I actually am against the war myself. I just think you could do a better job in backing your arguments, that's all. I agree with your positions, but I'm getting some weird vibes about the way you're defending them.

See, I'd really like to keep following your work, but it seems to have gone downhill since the start.

I'm not a neo-con, and I'm not gay. If that's what happens to people who try to resolve an issue, I would not like to discuss this any further. If anything, these actions resemble those of a "neo-lib" -- ridiculing people until they agree with the extreme left (as opposed to "neo-con" -- the extreme right).

Way to gain respect.

Alex D.


WEll, I do have to say this clears up (alittle). He's not a Neocon, folks(dodged a bullet there). Here's how I responded to him:


Dear Alex D.,

It seems I owe you an apology, as I misjudged you (i.e. to be a dhinger). I'm sorry, apparently somehow I completely misread your letter. Thank you for this response which clears up ALOT.

You say that I could do a better job in backing my arguments and I'm have to admit, You're absolutely right there. I am just a (1) person here on this little (Humble) Blog, labouring trying to do my best. If my work is not up to par then I'm sorry and I freely admit there are others (Kos ect.) who are way ahead of me at this thing. I'ts like my "so-called" spelling that people complain about - They have a point, but I do my best with the time allotted and sometimes fall short. I may still not be up to snuff but I'm working to rectify It's a process.

Note that I didn't call you "gay" that was someone else (BeerMan?). I did call you a Neocon however (sorry) (wrongly). I not familiar with the term "Neo-lib"(I think it's made-up?).

Anyway, I'm glad we had this chance to clearify things up, and Thanks you for being a Reader and baring with me in these times.

Best,
iraqwarwrong


I would have to say that (cross fingers?) it looks like probably our little Misunderstanding is cleared up. I'm relieved that we could bring to a resolution and now consider the matter closed. We should be greatful to Alex D. for clearifying his position for us.

20 Comments:

At 9/29/2004 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't think I can help. It wasn't all that clear (skimmed alot of it, okay most). It looks like he's not relly into the blog. Not sure. Anyways.

Jim

 
At 9/29/2004 12:36 PM, Blogger BeerMan said...

Everybody. Listen very carefully. Our host, IWW, is going to be very very sad today. Something very bad has happened, from his perspective. I think you guys need to console him.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/29/obit.armstead.ap/index.html

 
At 9/29/2004 2:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alex D. must be a neo-con. You can always tell them because they say they're not one. Like being gay.

 
At 9/29/2004 3:13 PM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

Come to think of it, he didn't even deny it.... (!)

 
At 9/29/2004 3:16 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

IraqWarWrong,
You see? This is why I love your site. This is why I put your site at the top of my blogroll. This is why I sit reading your site for hours everyday while I'm practicing Donna Lee, Teen Town, and Blackbird Singing In The Dead Of Night on "The Bass Of Doom."

It's the visceral thrill of discourse. The millions of servers and receptors of the internet meets the opinions of millions in the world of meat. Your site is a veritable brain, in and of itself, synapses firing, hormones excreting all over the place, all to the service of the refining of thought and opinion.

And nobody, let me repeat that, NOBODY, NO ONE, NO HOW, ever gets made fun of for their opinion on The Iraq War Was Wrong Blog. Never.

I've got to go now, I've got a tear in my eye. What? No, not a tear. A tear, like a rip in paper, you know. When that bouncer guy kicked me in the head it tore my eyeball and dang, it hurts. Oh no, I'm starting to lose feeling in my hands again.

Got to go now.

Jaco Pastorius - The World's Greatest Bass Player

 
At 9/29/2004 4:13 PM, Blogger lifeat40 said...

was 3,000 innocent people getting murdered on 9.11 wrong? was saddam paying palestinians $25,000 for suicide bombings a good thing to do?

 
At 9/29/2004 4:48 PM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

2 wrongs dont make a Right (that's not democracy!)

 
At 9/29/2004 6:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Darnit, Get over it repugs, the iraq war was wrong, is wrong, and will always be wrong, W stands for not right, you Neocons make me angry (and relly sad),

Eric

 
At 9/29/2004 7:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Realy confused about th letter's now. Didn't really get what his deal was. He wanted to argue with you, not sure.

Jim

 
At 9/29/2004 8:07 PM, Blogger moses_gunn said...

Alex D. wrote
"I'm not a neo-con, and I'm not gay. If that's what happens to people who try to resolve an issue, I would not like to discuss this any further."

Oy veh!
Resolving an issue makes one gay?

 
At 9/29/2004 8:13 PM, Blogger moses_gunn said...

above post clarification:
"resolving an issue makes one gay?"
not real question (rhetorical),
actually disbelief, shock, confusion

 
At 9/29/2004 8:31 PM, Blogger BeerMan said...

The level of insensitivity toward iww is amazing.

Someone very close to him has died. Show some respect.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/29/obit.armstead.ap/index.html

 
At 9/30/2004 12:00 AM, Blogger Alex said...

IraqWarWrong,

Seems to me I owe you an apology as well.

Please accept my sympathy for your loss.

...

"was 3,000 innocent people getting murdered on 9.11 wrong? was saddam paying palestinians $25,000 for suicide bombings a good thing to do?"[side note: long comment. hope you don't mind.]

No, of course it wasn't. But we have other ways to deal with criminals besides tearing up entire countries. My slogan throughout my antiwar stand has been "remember Kosovo."

Yes, we must remember Kosovo. Slobadan Milosevic was committing genocide on a similar level, if not worse. The military procedings were to:

1. Arrest Milosevic and turn him over to the UN.
2. Find new presidential candidates and hold an election ASAP.
3. Get the hell out of there.

Clinton knew what he was dealing with in those parts. The air strikes were guided properly to limit casualties -- to the point where the people of Kosovo reacted with overwhelming praise. A new president was put into place, Milosevic was jailed in The Hague, and the military left. IN TWO WEEKS.

However, Bush decided to ignore the UN and go it alone. Then he had the nerve to use UN resolutions to justify why he was ignoring the UN and going to war! Guess how he got away with it? Remember the misleading information that lead up to the decision to go to war? Yes, it was the same information that was presented to the UN.

When Kofi Annan declared the war ILLEGAL, Bush went before them and decided to continue pontificating instead of producing an exit plan.

Aren't you supposed to arrest someone who breaks the law and put him on trial? Instead, voters who share BushLogic have decided that he deserves "four more years" in office.

Have you heard that Saddam Hussein is eligible to run in the upcoming Iraqi elections? A recent survey shows that Bush screwed up Iraq so badly, a slight majority of Iraqis would rather see Saddam back in power than see him executed.

People who support the Republican party and the war in Iraq seem to have a "blackout syndrome." Every time something goes right, Bush is given due credit. However, if something goes wrong, or they're betrayed by Bush, it is forgotten.

Case and point:

In the first of the debates in 2000 (sorry, can't find the clip), Bush promised that he would NEVER use the military to enforce his own agenda, stating clearly that "we cannot be the world's policemen." Ask anyone about that today, and it's like he never said that. What's worse is that Bush flip-flopped so many times in 2000, that Jon Stewart (of The Daily Show) used ACTUAL FOOTAGE of Bush as a candidate and Bush as a president, and was able to set up a Bush vs. Bush debate! Yes, it was meant to be funny, but sometimes sarcasm contains a hint of truth.

Another example:

Abortions. Bush got a large chunk of the Catholic vote simply because he promised to protect the unborn. Since we've had a Republican Congress and a Republican president, nothing of significance has been done. Bush signed the partial-birth abortion ban, but it was shot down by the Supreme Court (that Bush determined). He was later quoted as saying that "America is not ready for a ban on abortion." Voters have failed to take this into account even today. Heck, he's even duped a chunk of the Catholic Church into only being against Kerry!!!

Finally, the expired assault weapons ban:

He said constantly that he supported the ban. He promised to keep it. When it expired, Bush saw the looming promise of NRA funding and let it go. W. let the lobbyists win. Is this what you want to see in a LEADER??? Like Kerry, I support the ban, and I can't see why one would need an AK-47 to kill a deer.

I smell a rat. Deception to gain politcal standing. What's even worse is that with Bush approaching what would be his final term, he's set for life. He can't be re-elected under any circumstances, and he gets a hefty retirement pension guaranteed as long as he lives. He's got nothing to lose. I have a sneaking suspicion that there's a frightening plan ahead.

I didn't trust W. in 2000, and he fulfilled my seemingly paranoid misgivings. I can't trust him now.

And that's without getting into healthcare, border security, or the economy...

 
At 9/30/2004 12:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Definitely gay. Clifford Fremont in high school acted like a girl, and we all said you're gay, but he said he wasn't. Now I hear he's a hairdresser.

Same with neo-cons. The more they say they're not, the more they are. Ipso facto.

 
At 9/30/2004 1:52 AM, Blogger Alex said...

Anon - I know where I stand. Calling me gay or a neo-con does absolutely nothing. Did you even READ my argument?

 
At 9/30/2004 6:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, relly confused now. Is somebody flaming somebody now? (not as in gay flaming but as in sending nasty email letter's)

Jim

 
At 9/30/2004 7:18 AM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

I don't tolarate flamewars on this my here blog,. I'm not sure who started it (Alex or anon) - doesn't relly matter - i'll let you (either one - whichever) off with warning. THIS TIME.

 
At 9/30/2004 2:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alex D., you are not a neo-con. Too bad because you could help John Kerrey get the gay neo-con votes because you know the war is Wrong.

John Kerrey said in George W Bush, the W stands for Wrong. That was very brilliant, to make W mean Wrong because someimes people call Bush Double-U (W).

 
At 9/30/2004 2:59 PM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

anon,

you do make a good point there. Kerry is doing something tricky/sly by making W stand for Wrong because the "W" in Wrong is silent. This forces people to THINK (for a change). Good comment,

 
At 10/02/2004 8:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think anyone who decides that they have to deny being gay without anyone ever bringing it up must have some issues. Alex D. it's okay that you're gay, we're very broad minded here. And it's okay that you're a neocon too. Your views are still respected.

It's nice to finally here from a gay neocon! Welcome!

Bob

 

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