The Iraq War Was Wrong Blog

The world has many wrongs, and many wars, but there's only one wrong Iraq war.

"A wrong war like during the Iraq war was cannot just be sitted idly by by." --The Proprietor

Friday, April 22, 2005

Crisis Nevermind

Ok people I don't mean to freak you out or anything but I am having a kind of crisis moment of doubt and self unclarity. Today I was at this get together(kind of party-roleplaying games/Settlers of Cataan/M:TG that kind of thing mostly) with some peeps of mine (Cyrus was there). NEway there was this new girl there (friend of freind) and well guess what she is an Iraqi! (ethnicity/background/heratage)

As we had fondue she was telling me all this stuff from her relative's still there. And as I listened something nagging at me. From the stuff's she was saying IF IT TRUE I started to think

"hmm maybe the Iraq War was not so wrong after all?"

I KNOW it's crazy . I don't know what to do flailing about here in a fit of pique. (I even drank up like 3 cups of hot chocolate already (organic) but DID NOT HELP). Someone PLEASE tell me up is still up because this is really scary. RELLY scary. How can I continue this blog? Do I have to abdicate/turn it over to someone else. Or what

UPDATE: ok guy's nevermind I was over at DailyKos and after persuing the post's there I totally calm down andsaw the error of my way's. Frankly from what I saw on Kos I think the chick was totally lying and stuff. Probably not even really IRaqi(astroturf?). ALOT of good stuff over at Kos BWT/ very useful resouce.


WELCOME Instaputzi readers who followed 2nd link . I guess in addition to playing up confusion about being me (WHICH HE IS NOT) Glenn trying to embarrass me to boot by point out a (silly) moment of doubt I had. Anyway its a good advertisement for Kos which is totally roxxor blog that kick's Glenn's butt. And if you want to stop being brainwash u should check it out. You might even learn something (imgine that!). So its all good.

39 Comments:

At 4/22/2005 5:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi! Springsteen here.

Hope u showed her the error of her ways.

I saw an iraqi blog once, where an english woman (guardian reader) was arguing against the iraqi fellow, telling him she wishes he wouldn't talk like a bush had brainwashed him and can't understand why he and others in iraq call the resistance "terrorists".

She gave him a good telling off! Her attitude should be an inspiration to us all! Even when she understood his (wrong) thinking represents many iraqis, she didn't raise the white flag. Even when he claimed these resistance fighters terrorize him and his fellow iraqis, this brave Guardian reader from England at least tried to put progressive politics in his mind.

 
At 4/22/2005 7:09 PM, Anonymous donzelion said...

"Show her the error of her ways"?

Don't try: her family has its experience, and there are probably others.

Some Iraqis are better off. Some are worse off. No one will know how the balance comes out.

So judge based on other bases: is it right to be lied to by your leaders? Is it right for them to send someone else to go die on their behalf, while they profit from their deeds? Is it right for us to play God with other people's destinies?

 
At 4/22/2005 7:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks you for your comment donzelion. You belong here, for sure.

I know I haven't not seen you here before, so it's good to see you bring your fresh ideas.

You are right that some are better, some worse, but it doesn't matter, even if more are better at some point, because really at another point, more could be worser.

It is clear that there is a fluctuation on the continuum of better and worse, and we can not allow oursleves to be dictated by it.

The rules may not be eternal, but they never change; The Iraq War Was Wrong.

Sinsearly,
Screaming Memes

 
At 4/22/2005 7:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donzelion, welcome!

U know, for a moment there u had me scared. It was when u said "No one will know how the balance comes out.So judge... " I was thinking u'd add "so withold your judgement for the time being"

I'm so glad u didn't say that!

>"Is it right for us to play God with other people's destinies"

God, I so agree!
It's wrong to even ask whether iraqis are better off or worse off (or how things will turn out in the future) because life+death under Saddam was their destiny. We shouldn't toy with that!!!

Anon.

 
At 4/22/2005 8:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course, most Iraqis (as individuals) are better off after the Iraq War. That has always been oblivious. That is not the point.

The point is the Principal of the Thing. The Iraq war was wrong *in principal*, and the experiences of individual Iraqis (antidotal evidences) has know baring on it.

That is Philosophy 101, basik lojic, I think we ALL CAN AGREE (EXCEPT bUSH AND cHAINY)

Heffalump C. Woozel, Esquire

 
At 4/25/2005 11:15 AM, Anonymous Joe Bonforte said...

You know, I see a lot of correlation between people who can't spell and who use poor grammar, and people who oppose the Iraq War. Thanks for supplying another sterling example.

 
At 4/25/2005 11:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog must generate a lot of drinking fountain conversation at your local Jr. High...

 
At 4/25/2005 11:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm....

Interesting to note:

EVERY Iraqi, and even some Iranians, and every US soldier (and their wife if they are still over there) I have talked to have said exactly the same thing-

That the Iraq War was the right thing to do, and that the Iraq people are much better off, and thank us for finally helping them.

And that "the News" has it all wrong.

Strange to hear that from a wife who's husband is over there, and she talks to him every day, with her own worries. But I have heard it often. And nothing to the contrary from anybody from Iraq.

I could say it makes a person think, but from the postings, unless your being sarcastic, that it won't.

Don't get too entrenched. Because I haven't talked to a single person who has been over there that comes close to sharing your views. Now, why is that? So why can that be?

How can you be so correct, so worldly, and so progressive, yet have so different an opinion?

Curious...........

 
At 4/25/2005 11:25 AM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

WEll "curious" then those people are Wrong aren't they? Or cant u read e.g. the title of this blogg. And oh btw dont worry I'm not getting intrenched it is YOU who are getting entrench(did u ever think of that/guess not).

 
At 4/25/2005 11:34 AM, Blogger Heretic said...

dude, I am so glad I found ur blog. thers so much crap out their about how thinks are going alrite or geting better in iraqi, and it skared me too. i was thinking 'oh no... maybee i was wrong about the hole iraki war! how can eye go on living1" and i just cant think of enything worst than if iraq started going gud.

 
At 4/25/2005 11:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why can't people take the time to review what they write before they publish it? Spelling errors and incorrect grammer are a clear sign of stupidity and liberalism.

 
At 4/25/2005 11:39 AM, Blogger Joanna said...

So, let me get this straight . . .

We went in and removed a bloody tyrant, and now we're fighting insurgents who kidnap and murder innocent people because trying to replace one bloody tyrant with a worse one . . . but we're the bad guys?

*cognitive overload--reboot*

If Britain and the U.S. had removed Hitler after he annexed the Sudetenland, but before he invaded Poland, would that have been wrong, too?

 
At 4/25/2005 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope somebody archives this blog to serve as a paradigm example of "liberal coccooning" with regard to the Iraq war. The amazing thing is, either this blogger is totally unaware of it, or the entire thing is a satire against anti-war people.

If it's a satire, nicely done. If it's not, for heaven's sake please just go back and reread what you've written right here and THINK.

 
At 4/25/2005 11:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI for IWW, "a lot" is two words.

 
At 4/25/2005 12:07 PM, Blogger Hoodlumman said...

This site is great satire!

 
At 4/25/2005 12:13 PM, Blogger Screaming Memes said...

Let me self-assure everyone here: This blog is no mere satyre. IraqWarWrong means every word he speaks.

The Iraq War Was Wrong when it started and it still was wrong to this very day.

 
At 4/25/2005 12:22 PM, Blogger Doug Ward said...

Wow...According to Anon's logic we should never judge anyone on anything! We should never provide positive action to help anyone. Let the third world live in their squalor...don't send money, troops, food, nothing because according to that poster

"It's wrong to even ask whether iraqis are better off or worse off (or how things will turn out in the future) because life+death under Saddam was their destiny. We shouldn't toy with that!!!"

Following that logic it is wrong to EVER intervene anywhere for any reason. He basically said "let the poor slobs die if thats their destiny".

This betrays all liberal democratic principles (notice I didin't type Liberal Democratic). And to Heffalump C. Woozel, Esquire I would say that the anecdotal (not antidotal) evidence of every day Iraqis is entirely material to establishing the justice in the Iraq war.

Wow...lets use an example "BushMcHitler (as you probably have put it more than once)takes over and establishes a fascist theocracy and imprisons you in a room with Michael Moore who begins to shew your feet off because he's hungry...it seems to be your destiny. Now, say Jaques Chirac or Fidel Castro decide that this is wrong and decides to invade the US to free all of the poor loving progressives. By your logic, your fate has been sealed and the French/Cuban socialists should sit on their hands until because its YOUR DESTINY".

All I can say is wow.

http://southern-wind.blogspot.com

Nice motif though BTW...matches mine.

 
At 4/25/2005 12:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm starting to think that most of the commenters with the spelling are just having their fun with the blog's author. Such wit! I can't believe that someone would discount the words of someone from Iraq just because someone on a blog they like to read said the person must be wrong. Hating Bush is one thing. Calling Iraqis who like Bush brainwashed liars is another. This site is by far the funniest site I have ever visited! Keep it up guys!

 
At 4/25/2005 12:41 PM, Blogger JAGCAP said...

Help me out folks... this IS a satire, isn't it? It's like one of those April Fools Day things from MIT, right? Where it's such a thorough effort you get fooled and drawn in, non?

 
At 4/25/2005 1:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This site is hypnotizing. I'm drawn in further to read more rediculous thoughts and sentences that are complete train wrecks! Please someone turn off my computer!

 
At 4/25/2005 1:02 PM, Blogger Screaming Memes said...

What is kind of politcal action commitee is JAG-PAC?

Anyway, RE: "Following that logic it is wrong to EVER intervene anywhere for any reason."

You got that right Doug Ward. All intervention is a systematci Capatalist Hegemoanic Rape of Lesser Civilizations. Their is an element of geopolitical S&M involved in the War on Terror that is frightneing, frankly.

You're right. We must put an end to the rein of Bush McHitler.

Faster please. (to quote that evil Neocon, Ledeen)

 
At 4/25/2005 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is quite amusing when anti-war lefties come face to face with the actual human beings affected by the Iraq war. What was your reaction to the election coverage? More than a little self-doubt, I gather from this post. How lame, and predictable, that you would seek comfort from Kos as a shield from the truth. Whatever you do, do not visit the windsofchange or iraqthemodel websites - it will cause a complete meltdown. When the truth scares you, just go to Kos.

 
At 4/25/2005 1:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

cognitive dissonance

and so you'll understand, I'll clarify (mispell) it for you: kognutiv disonents.

 
At 4/25/2005 4:48 PM, Anonymous Bemused Instapundit Reader said...

Someone (other than me) once wrote "Peaceful life will not deliver freedom".

Unqualified and uninformed opposition to the liberation of Iraq is not a rational standpoint to take, although I'd like to hear a well-thought out justification for leaving a kleptocratic genocidal dictator in control of a nation like Iraq. I doubt I could be encouraged to change my mind, but I'd welcome the debate.

Sadly, this blog doesn't seem capabe of delivering that, so I'll keep revisiting just for chuckles.

Ok, and on the issue of grammar - the big problem with havving poor communication skills is precisely that - it's a barrier to communication. If you can't articulate your message, nobody's going to understand your message.

 
At 4/25/2005 4:53 PM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

Dude B.I.R. i tried 2 understand yr post but couldn't because wtf is "havving" is that like Swedish? If you can't articulate your message, nobody's going to understand your message.

Just friendly advise,

 
At 4/25/2005 5:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude,
I cant beleive NE one wood cunfus you with Instunzit. WTF?? Those irag peeple were pussies, I tell u. Wot is the loss of a tongue here, a arm their when we had that bastart ASHCROFT triing to still our library cards!!!???. Dude, reely, you should viset www.iraqthemodelblogspot.com to see them pussies. It wood make u just sick. They PRETEND to be glad (that means "happy") but u and I no that is just craze.

YOU ROCK< DUDE. Pls keap sending the troo word (such as it is).

Kathy from Austin

 
At 4/25/2005 6:08 PM, Blogger Screaming Memes said...

Kathy from Auston,

Your right. Those guys at IraqTheModel (what kind of name is that anyway, three wrods all squished togethr, none of them a name, hmm) are a bunch of Stepn' fetchit pussies,

they just pretend to be happy.

They are Dhimmis to the Christian Jihad.

And as for you Bemused Instapundit Reader, you say you'd like to hear a well-thought out justification for leaving a kleptocratic genocidal dictator in control of a nation like Iraq.

Ok, here's one. He was they're elected President, for god's sake (not religiousl referrent). They elected him unlike us, who didn't elect our president.

Let me tell you something else, Heir Chimp keeps going on about Saddam and his "mass graves." So what? So, he killed 500,000 Iraqi's in 25 years of rule. We've killed over 100,000 in just two years. At this rate we will kill 1.25 million in 25 years. That means we are murdering innocent Iraqi's 2.5 times faster than Saddam.

And we spend a lot more money per murdered person; the Iraq War (which was wrong) has already cost us 300 billion person.

This means HalleBurton is charging us 30 million dollars per murdered Iraqi.

Do you realize how outlandish that is?

That makes Enron look like a good investment.

The Bushitler Milatary Industrial Micropenis Complex/Theocratic Reality-Burkha/Hegemonic Capitalist Construct/jesusland Media Hyperreality has reached it's viciuos tentacles into every fiber of our spirit and sucked the marrow out of our brains.

I'm so mad I don't know what to think.

Screaming Memes

 
At 4/25/2005 6:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dont forghet that Bushitler's reel plan in invading Irag was to steel the babys stem cells. He outlawed stem cell reserch in Amerikkka, so he has to get the stem cells somwares.

 
At 4/25/2005 6:30 PM, Blogger voice said...

OMG Screaming Memes....you are now officially my favorite person ever! I haven't laughed that hard in YEARS! This site is just pure gold. Pure comic gold! When is the "Best of TIWWWB" coming out? You guys could seriously make some major dough selling this as low brow humor.

Of course, you'd have to endure the insults to your intelligence from the world, but surely you can handle that if the money is flowing in like a river!

 
At 4/25/2005 7:17 PM, Anonymous Chay Gavara (sp?) said...

That iraqi (maybe fake (probably)) girl might have been the sister of Amad Chabli (fake iraqi/neocon). Remember he was the dhinger that tried to plant yellowcake (plutonium (used in flux capacitr)) in iraq befrore richard clark (sophisticated/hosts american bandstand) uncovered his plans. Next time you see her ask if she is profiting off dead iraqi children (blood for oil).

 
At 4/25/2005 8:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"UPDATE: ok guy's nevermind I was over at DailyKos and after persuing the post's there I totally calm down andsaw the error of my way's...
...if you want to stop being brainwash u should check it out. You might even learn something (imgine that!). So its all good."

Bueatifull!!

 
At 4/25/2005 11:45 PM, Anonymous Alan Furman said...

Hey look what the Insstapunji cat dragged in:"

"You know, I see a lot of correlation [Sic]between people who can't spell and who use poor grammar, and people who oppose the Iraq War."

"If you can't articulate your message, nobody's going to understand your message.

Grammer and spelling flame's are just Troll's! Troll's are the SCURGE of the innerNet. Troll's deprive a person of they're self esteem.

The war on Iraqi was just for oil Corps' to get cheap oil. Any half witz (Republican exerpted!! know how far the price of oil has went up and now look how much we have to pay! Q.ED! So there errant boy Carl ROver has troll's out after we Realty Based patriot's.

Myself am in full support of you're effort's. Fight the Buchimphler!

 
At 4/26/2005 6:09 AM, Blogger njoriole said...

Wow, what amazing insight! To recap: you got information from an actual Iraqi, which caused you to doubt your previous moonbat certainties, bringing on a crisis of confidence. However, a quick visit to that source of excellence- the Daily ("screw them") Kos, and your sanity was restored. Or rather, your detachment from reality was saved for another day.

 
At 4/27/2005 8:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"God, I so agree!
It's wrong to even ask whether iraqis are better off or worse off (or how things will turn out in the future) because life+death under Saddam was their destiny. We shouldn't toy with that!!!"

Glad to see that the Left has found it's legs on this one! If only you'd been around in the past. Just think of the difference you could have made:

1930's: Life + death under Hitler was the destiny of the Germans/Czechs/Poles/French/Belgians. We shouldn't toy with that!

1940's: Life + death under Hitler was the destiny of the Jews. We shouldn't toy with that!

1950's: Life + death under Communism was the destiny of the Koeans. We shouldn't toy with that!

1960's, 70's, 80's: Life + death under Cummunism was the destiny of the Russians/Poles(again)/Hungarians/Czechs (again)/Nicaraguans/Cubans et al, ad nauseum. We shouldn't toy with that!

1990's: Life + death under the Serbs was the destiny of the Bosnians/Ethnic Albanians. We shouldn't toy with that!

Congrats!! You've proven, once again, that the Left is totally clueless. You can pretty well tell the right side of any issue these days by checking which side you're on. Keep up the good work.

Hucklebuck

 
At 4/27/2005 9:19 AM, Anonymous donzelion said...

Numerous trolls think they've made points by classifyng my position as "It's irrelevant whether Iraqis are better off now."

Actually, it is relevant -- for a classical utilitarian or an ethical relativist (I hope the conservatives aren't relativists!).

Conservatives have trouble with relativists. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are utilitarians.

A utilitarian would try to weigh the total amount of happiness produced by an action against the total amount of unhappiness. If the total amount of happiness is greater, then the decision was "good."

Problems? Well, it's hard to weigh happiness. Polls help (maybe), but how many pollsters wander about while folks are shooting at them?

Get's worse: the people polled aren't the only people whose "happiness" is affected. A good poll must take into account everyone who gained happiness/unhappiness from the act.

Which is why conservatives have to denounce all the other people in the world who might have a position, all the Iraqis who might have a position, and any other voice that might disagree with them as 'irrelevant.'

At the end of the day, the utilitarian approach winds up becoming pure relativism - except this: you can always claim, "Well, more people benefit from our strategy than are harmed" because you only listen to (or broadcast publicly) the folks who benefit.

 
At 4/27/2005 10:49 AM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

so u agree The Iraq War was wrong don? or what. Sorry it's is a bit hard to follow you're point

 
At 4/27/2005 1:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A friend of mine took up a civilian job in Iraq. He has internet access where he is and we chat almost every day via ICQ. Here are some execpts:

"The regular folks over here love us becouse they know we are making their lifes better. But the bad guys from Iran, and other countries hate us. Thats who is causing all the problems."

"The Iraqi people are really starting to help out. They are telling our guys where people that don't belong are located and we have been blasting the crap out of them."

 
At 4/28/2005 12:27 PM, Blogger iraqwarwrong said...

ICQ huh. How do u know hes really in Iraq. did u ever think of that

 
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